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RE: Lightspeed - Kayla - 10-12-2022
(10-12-2022, 11:49 AM)Ashclout Wrote: All your suggestions suck. You haven't managed to find a single good idea in two pages that wouldn't cuck one way or another other trees unrelated to Light.
The problem to solve : Lightspeed can't be reacted to or anticipated.
The solution : Add a 2-3 seconds charge animation like sears before the spell makes you teleport.
That way, Lightspeed remains revelant and people will know when it will happen and have time to prepare for an answer. Be it an invul, an aoe or a block. It really wasn't that difficult to figure out. Thank God none of you balance this game.
This would literally make the skill completely useless. You'd just get stunned yourself 100% every time, or teleport right into a beam etc. This would essentially completely kill the skill, so you being so aggressive with how this is the better solution... not sure how I feel about that.
I don't combo it with stun. I lightspeed --> shadow dive or light speed --> fatal or lightspeed ->psmash. Which I can get punished for easily EVEN if I land it because it doesn't stun. So I can eat a whip, a stun, etc. Its risky. And has much counterplay.
Imagine if I had to wait an entire 2 or 3 seconds and scream I AM GOING TO LIGHTSPEED before doing it? Seriously?
As many people said here the problem is that its too easy to pair it with cheesy stun combos. Lightspeed itself is fine imo.
RE: Lightspeed - Spicy Serious - 10-12-2022
The real solution is obvious
Kill whip combos c:
RE: Lightspeed - TheHopscotch - 10-13-2022
Can't we just all have fun
RE: Lightspeed - VibeEntertainment - 10-13-2022
(10-13-2022, 01:26 AM)TheHipster Wrote: Can't we just all have fun
Buff Hipster
RE: Lightspeed - Shadovarn - 10-13-2022
(10-13-2022, 01:26 AM)TheHipster Wrote: Can't we just all have fun
Absolutely fucking not.
RE: Lightspeed - Teemo - 10-13-2022
(10-12-2022, 01:02 PM)VibeEntertainment Wrote:(10-12-2022, 07:33 AM)Teemo Wrote:(10-12-2022, 05:48 AM)VibeEntertainment Wrote: As was said in the original post, kiters and kite based builds are equally as bad as "Lightspeed" stun combo users.
Kiters effectively and effeciently can out perform Armed/Unarmed/Mage(Non-Kite/Non-Lightspeed) builds consistently.
Because they avoid, damage as long as you're doing it correctly and not getting baited by strafing or clear bait tactics.
Lightspeed with it's current range is OKAY.
The issue is as Bog said, is that it's commonly being used with Whips or Pyroclasm. Adding some CD on the use of stuns/roots or whatever to make it so people don't lose 30-40% HP is all fair and good, but when you land that combo and sit back and wait for it again, it's predictable and there are a CRAP ton of options to avoid such a predictable thing.
Saving Warcry Active
Phantom Strike
Evicserate(However it's spelled)
Shockwave (Any of it's varients)
Even drags. (You can quite literally do a skill like Cascade to anyone who Lightspeeds on you EVERY single time they do it and guess what?)
Now you're conditioning them to wait till you use your other skills. I fought someone who is using Lightspeed+ Water Whip into and Tidal and everytime they LS'ed they got punished to the point they stopped using it and tried walking up to me to whip beam.
Lightspeed right now is okay, landing it into whatever combo is a thing sucks, yes. Losing 30-40% HP is pretty wild.
But this boils down to build difference now. You can still beat anyone who's using such a build/cheese. Whether it's harder for you to accomplish or not is solely up to how you verb and what you have in your kit to deal with it IMO.
You can't react to Lightspeed with Warcry, Eviscerate or Shockwave. The only reason Phantom Strike counters it is because it has a short range, meaning you can spam it to instantly blink out of a Lightspeed. Try this with Eviscerate and you'll just end up using it before they Lightspeed.
This is unique to Phantom Strikes and Assault. Everything else requires anticipation, not reaction. If the Lightspeed user is good, you'll end up sending defensives into the abyss.
I'll make vids for you.
wer vibeo
RE: Lightspeed - Kayla - 10-13-2022
(10-13-2022, 01:26 AM)TheHipster Wrote: Can't we just all have fun
Wait... Arguing in the forums is not the fun part?!? Huh...
RE: Lightspeed - Knawlidge - 10-13-2022
I doubt it will make it to the surface,
But why don’t we just make lightspeed cause whips and roots to go on GCD when casted? if thats possible.
kinda like venomdash and dashstrike.
just make it apply to sand root, metal grasp, binding, and associated whips
any other changes is just dumbfuckery, honestly. especially an indicator. The range nerf made it challenging as is to pull off.
RE: Lightspeed - Zilly - 10-13-2022
My most traumatic moment as a young teen was watching Happy one day and then Salathiel the next chain verb all my heroes in Aphros.
RE: Lightspeed - VibeEntertainment - 10-13-2022
(10-13-2022, 07:06 AM)Zilly Wrote: My most traumatic moment as a young teen was watching Happy one day and then Salathiel the next chain verb all my heroes in Aphros.
Happy wasn't Light though.. =/