[Mouse]

until chain CC gets fixed, war cry is kind of an unfortunate requirement. certain trees can keep you locked down for a massive, MASSIVE amount of time, and unless you've specifically built into it, there really is no counter to them. war cry is probably way too powerful for what it is and how easy it is to get but i'd rather it be in the game than for CC heavy stun meta to be the way the game is played, personally

[Moloch]

imagine comparing a 1-sec stun to sand and metal :nauseous:

furthermore, it's kind of obnoxious that you picked that and not the infamous mess that was atticus' light cosmic gravity combo.

warcry was literally a necessity

[Prestige]

if warcry gem is taken out, some stuns should be looked at and changed as well. bone and whips are the most problematic ones, since the rest are all roots and not stuns (with much harsher cd) or... pyro, which is a nice spell ofc but it's also a very short stun that requires a fair amount of investment AND has a longer cd.

but i agree. nerf fire first. fuck flameslide and GFW. the dmg and cd simply don't make sense. fuck this tree

[Left Brain]

until chain CC gets fixed, war cry is kind of an unfortunate requirement. certain trees can keep you locked down for a massive, MASSIVE amount of time, and unless you've specifically built into it, there really is no counter to them. war cry is probably way too powerful for what it is and how easy it is to get but i'd rather it be in the game than for CC heavy stun meta to be the way the game is played, personally

I don't mind warcry gem being a thing to stop/counter combo builds, but at the same time there's trees in the game that solely rely upon the concept of locking down your opponent with huge cds. Now that everyone can walk out of your stuff, you're either down a whole spell or a rotation without so much as a reward or remote trade for your investment, which essentially equates to a fat loss if you're heavily invested in said tree.

P.S. At least Titan's lance is fat.

What I'm trying to get at just to clarify is that investing 80 rpp in a tree for someone to spend a few thousand coin and make it obsolete is very not fun.

[Jumpy]

it should have stayed as an events-only drop from special boxes.

with how much money everyone can easily make anyone can appropriate rhoynish culture if they want and that disgusts me

[Teemo]

damn i can't believe my cheesy unavoidable chain cc 160 vit damage combo has a counter play i hate this game

i think mistform, cleanse, shadowform, deflecting palm, iron body, volcanic barrier, rhoynish battlecry, shardform, barrier of sand, blue crystals, ribcage and any cast buff shield are enough counters. not including the hiddens and other invulns i forgot

more if you're looking at sand too

[The Friggen Sawbones]

cleanse+debuff immunity is too strong. replacing it with either a cleanse or graceful winds (slow immunity) would prob be better

love u guys

[ry0un0suke]

War cry gem users all unite to deflect nerfs against them to fire. War cry might as well just be a human passive with the amount of people who use it.

[Mali]

Sis, it's interesting that you'd put a stun up to a snare in the first place. The difference is that you can react to a snare...You cannot react to a stun.

[Dreamspeaker]

Imagine not being able to afford War Cry Gem.