[Joshua]

I don’t think armed is that over-tuned personally. In my opinion, it’s just the fact that we’re all able to use hybrids now since power is one stat and we have an influx of armed users coming in because not only is it just so much cooler to use a sword and magic (people been tryna do that from E1 days), but it’s effective too. Armed alone isn’t over-tuned, but in combination with other trees it can be powerful.

But guess what?

Same goes for literally every other tree in the game. Most are shit by themselves, but, coupled with something complimentary just makes it so much better. Only difference is we have a lot more people going armed because it’s viable now unlike in the past. As someone who plays armed or unarmed on just about every character since Spires, I can say that it’s in a good spot as it is.

But the thing with armed is that it isn't shit by itself. It can compliment a main tree with the stats it gives and the utility from dash or pstrikes or be complimented by other trees. And most of the strong trees right now are intermediates which require attunement from a basic tree. If you choose them you're limited to either other trees/spells from that element or another tree you can only afford a few spells in.

Armed costs around 80 rpp for 5-6 spells leaving you only 4 slots to spend 120-140 RPP on. You have the option of filling them with high impact spells and hiddens/low cost utility and support along with toggle buff or upgrade hiddens to take full advantage of the AP and power you have.

And it's great that you have so many options for melee now. It allows for more creativity when it comes to build and if you go for an ic build you wont be utterly useless. But right now it just feels that armed overbuffs trees that are already strong. Occult/Holy, Energy, Cosmic, Explosion

How can you say it’s not shit by itself, then immediately jump to pairing it with other trees? My main point is that armed is just like most other trees in a sense that you have to pair it with something for it to be really good. You just repeating the same things you said to other folks up above.